Comments on: Down with the ship? http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/ Wed, 03 Feb 2010 10:31:45 -0600 http://wordpress.org/?v=abc hourly 1 By: garth http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-5546 garth Fri, 02 Mar 2007 06:04:04 +0000 http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/#comment-5546 I'm in the middle of a vision quest, hoping to discover if I'm man or pussy. I’m in the middle of a vision quest, hoping to discover if I’m man or pussy.

]]> By: LG http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-5533 LG Fri, 02 Mar 2007 02:06:20 +0000 http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/#comment-5533 I agree, switching teams is a complete puss move. You must stay a Hammers fun, and if you don't the GSE are coming after you! I agree, switching teams is a complete puss move. You must stay a Hammers fun, and if you don’t the GSE are coming after you!

]]> By: Dawson http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-5451 Dawson Thu, 01 Mar 2007 14:17:01 +0000 http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/#comment-5451 You can't just switch teams. There's something fundamentally wrong with that. Abandoning a team because they had a bad run isn't being a fan, that's being a bandwagoner. Take the kick in the nuts for now, and things will get better in a little while. That being said, you can always have other teams you like without being a whore about it. Cheer on MLS East, as long as they're not going up against the Hammers. You can’t just switch teams. There’s something fundamentally wrong with that. Abandoning a team because they had a bad run isn’t being a fan, that’s being a bandwagoner. Take the kick in the nuts for now, and things will get better in a little while.

That being said, you can always have other teams you like without being a whore about it. Cheer on MLS East, as long as they’re not going up against the Hammers.

]]> By: jobicoppola http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-5441 jobicoppola Thu, 01 Mar 2007 13:20:00 +0000 http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/#comment-5441 There does seem to be something fundamentally wrong with switching which english team you support, doesn't there. If you were to decide to support say Fulham, and West Ham were to get promoted back next season, man you would just feel dirty. Once you pick a team to support, that's it. So next year, you can watch Fulham games, but no cheering, even if Volz threads a through ball to Dempsey who megs 3 guys and crushes one into the upper v. Just take your soma and smile happily, because a gramme is better than a damn. There does seem to be something fundamentally wrong with switching which english team you support, doesn’t there. If you were to decide to support say Fulham, and West Ham were to get promoted back next season, man you would just feel dirty. Once you pick a team to support, that’s it. So next year, you can watch Fulham games, but no cheering, even if Volz threads a through ball to Dempsey who megs 3 guys and crushes one into the upper v. Just take your soma and smile happily, because a gramme is better than a damn.

]]> By: stuartdowningpints.com http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-5348 stuartdowningpints.com Wed, 28 Feb 2007 23:17:34 +0000 http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/#comment-5348 Need a reason to avoid Newcastle? Here's their idea of entertainment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puA73Ylm5Pk Need a reason to avoid Newcastle? Here’s their idea of entertainment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puA73Ylm5Pk

]]> By: Scott http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-5339 Scott Wed, 28 Feb 2007 21:32:12 +0000 http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/#comment-5339 How is switching sides even an option? It's one thing to bring it up for amusing discussion, but to actually consider making a switch? Absolutely not. It's off the table. If you abandon West Ham, the Universe has no choice but to force you to pick a MLS in return. On a different tangent, if West Ham's board had been more solid over the past decade and not treated its staff and players so poorly, they may have been able to hold onto, oh, half of the fantastic talent they let walk out the door. Say what you will about finances, but when Harry and Frank Sr. left, all that promising work with the upcoming youths went bye-bye. How is switching sides even an option? It’s one thing to bring it up for amusing discussion, but to actually consider making a switch?

Absolutely not. It’s off the table. If you abandon West Ham, the Universe has no choice but to force you to pick a MLS in return.

On a different tangent, if West Ham’s board had been more solid over the past decade and not treated its staff and players so poorly, they may have been able to hold onto, oh, half of the fantastic talent they let walk out the door.

Say what you will about finances, but when Harry and Frank Sr. left, all that promising work with the upcoming youths went bye-bye.

]]> By: garth http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-5308 garth Wed, 28 Feb 2007 16:41:47 +0000 http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/#comment-5308 Uh-oh, interleague grammar wars. I love to beat the relegation horse, so: any business you enter, you can't just be thinking "Gee, how awesome is this going to be...how much money am I going to make." Take a look at egg-head (west hame). He has said from the outset he has a contingency plan for going down. Whether or not that's true, it would be pretty simple business sense. And as far as parity goes, a little less in MLS would be nice. The league is as competitive as the United Socialist Basket Weavers annual 5-a-side tourney. Uh-oh, interleague grammar wars.

I love to beat the relegation horse, so: any business you enter, you can’t just be thinking “Gee, how awesome is this going to be…how much money am I going to make.” Take a look at egg-head (west hame). He has said from the outset he has a contingency plan for going down. Whether or not that’s true, it would be pretty simple business sense.
And as far as parity goes, a little less in MLS would be nice. The league is as competitive as the United Socialist Basket Weavers annual 5-a-side tourney.

]]> By: Spectator http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-5298 Spectator Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:14:03 +0000 http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/#comment-5298 <i>No wonder MLS is so boring, they?re fans are too.</i> But they do have a grasp of 5th grade grammar, which seems to be slightly more than what the average Newcastle fan has achieved. While I totally agree that relegation is the single greatest invention in sports, it will never, ever, ever happen in the U.S. because owners would be afraid that their investments (i.e. teams) would sink in value. No wonder MLS is so boring, they?re fans are too.

But they do have a grasp of 5th grade grammar, which seems to be slightly more than what the average Newcastle fan has achieved.

While I totally agree that relegation is the single greatest invention in sports, it will never, ever, ever happen in the U.S. because owners would be afraid that their investments (i.e. teams) would sink in value.

]]> By: hose B http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-5296 hose B Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:37:17 +0000 http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/#comment-5296 Prederick, I died laughing about Nista's West Ham man crush, and then simply died of boredom after reading your crap. No wonder MLS is so boring, they're fans are too. Let's not digress...Nista, I hate to say it but, "I told you so!" West Ham are crap and they've always been. Newcastle will always be THE team to support. You never know what you're going to get. It's the girl that looks spectacular in some light (NUFC 2-Liverpool 1), and terrible two minutes later (NUFC 0-Wigan 1), or after you sober-up. I know you're on the rebound and normally an emotional rollercoaster of a girl, I mean team, isn't such a good idea. But, it really is exciting to guess which team you'll see. Trust me, I've even punched myself in the head and hugged myself in the same match. It's pure love baby. Prederick,
I died laughing about Nista’s West Ham man crush, and then simply died of boredom after reading your crap. No wonder MLS is so boring, they’re fans are too.
Let’s not digress…Nista,
I hate to say it but, “I told you so!” West Ham are crap and they’ve always been. Newcastle will always be THE team to support. You never know what you’re going to get. It’s the girl that looks spectacular in some light (NUFC 2-Liverpool 1), and terrible two minutes later (NUFC 0-Wigan 1), or after you sober-up. I know you’re on the rebound and normally an emotional rollercoaster of a girl, I mean team, isn’t such a good idea. But, it really is exciting to guess which team you’ll see. Trust me, I’ve even punched myself in the head and hugged myself in the same match. It’s pure love baby.

]]> By: Prederick http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/comment-page-1/#comment-5272 Prederick Wed, 28 Feb 2007 10:32:59 +0000 http://soccernista.com/2007/02/28/down-with-the-ship/#comment-5272 MLS has to adopt the table-based point system first. Relegation (which i'm still not 100% sold on as the best of all possible worlds, mind) just isn't a financially viable option for the clubs. Unfortunately, there's no Eggert Magnusson or Mohamed Al-Fayed waiting in the wings to buy up Miami FC and provide an infusion of cash. Relegation is nearly killer for ex-Premiership sides already, it'd be the swift hand of death itself in the MLS. You're right that it would bring up interest, but at a price. Moreover, there's the question of how many people will show up to watch who is "Least Worst". This isn't to say Relegation is a wholly bad idea. It's a great idea that the MLS should implement. But not until it can afford to, and right now, I can't see it being viable. The upside to no relegation is that the MLS features a bit more parity between clubs than European leagues that have, let's be honest, gotten a tad top heavy (Last year the teams won consecutive titles in England, Germany, France, Italy [sort of], Spain, Russia, amd Holland). And while there certainly is a bonus to having powerhouses like Liverpool and Real Madrid around, I do kind of like not necessarily having to deal with their continued G-14 greed and dominance. I'm rambling. My opinion? Relegation - Yes. But not yet. MLS has to adopt the table-based point system first. Relegation (which i’m still not 100% sold on as the best of all possible worlds, mind) just isn’t a financially viable option for the clubs. Unfortunately, there’s no Eggert Magnusson or Mohamed Al-Fayed waiting in the wings to buy up Miami FC and provide an infusion of cash. Relegation is nearly killer for ex-Premiership sides already, it’d be the swift hand of death itself in the MLS.

You’re right that it would bring up interest, but at a price. Moreover, there’s the question of how many people will show up to watch who is “Least Worst”.

This isn’t to say Relegation is a wholly bad idea. It’s a great idea that the MLS should implement. But not until it can afford to, and right now, I can’t see it being viable.

The upside to no relegation is that the MLS features a bit more parity between clubs than European leagues that have, let’s be honest, gotten a tad top heavy (Last year the teams won consecutive titles in England, Germany, France, Italy [sort of], Spain, Russia, amd Holland). And while there certainly is a bonus to having powerhouses like Liverpool and Real Madrid around, I do kind of like not necessarily having to deal with their continued G-14 greed and dominance.

I’m rambling. My opinion? Relegation – Yes. But not yet.

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